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		<title>Comment on This blog gets mention on Tea Party Patriot website by Tony Waters</title>
		<link>http://jeffpelline.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/this-blog-gets-mention-on-tea-party-patriot-website/#comment-3182</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
      I think that your analysis is correct, and that the tea party movement will collapse on its own contradictions, as have similar anti-intellectual grass movements in the past.  We don&#039;t even need to look back that far.  Ross Perot&#039;s Reform movement had similar origins, and ultimately collapsed on its own contradictions without electing anyone more consequential than Jesse Ventura.
      That said, in the meantime, we are likely to be treated from the fact-challenged diatribes from tea baggers on The Union&#039;s editorial page, etc. In the meantime, we are distracted from the very real problems of declining school quality, deteriorating road infrastructure, declining university access, banking regulation, the prison crisis, and a host of other major issues.

     The funny thing is that normally I am not in that much sympathy with Ivy League types, either; I find their resumes rather tedious (David Brooks has written a great book on &quot;the resume gods,&quot; by the way), and their pontificating disengaged.  But at least it is typically grounded in facts and not ideology.  As a result and you can often have a decent conversation with them.

Tony Waters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
      I think that your analysis is correct, and that the tea party movement will collapse on its own contradictions, as have similar anti-intellectual grass movements in the past.  We don&#8217;t even need to look back that far.  Ross Perot&#8217;s Reform movement had similar origins, and ultimately collapsed on its own contradictions without electing anyone more consequential than Jesse Ventura.<br />
      That said, in the meantime, we are likely to be treated from the fact-challenged diatribes from tea baggers on The Union&#8217;s editorial page, etc. In the meantime, we are distracted from the very real problems of declining school quality, deteriorating road infrastructure, declining university access, banking regulation, the prison crisis, and a host of other major issues.</p>
<p>     The funny thing is that normally I am not in that much sympathy with Ivy League types, either; I find their resumes rather tedious (David Brooks has written a great book on &#8220;the resume gods,&#8221; by the way), and their pontificating disengaged.  But at least it is typically grounded in facts and not ideology.  As a result and you can often have a decent conversation with them.</p>
<p>Tony Waters</p>
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		<title>Comment on This blog gets mention on Tea Party Patriot website by Michael Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be great if in 2010 someone would host a series of Town Hall Meetings over the next couple of months, where a neutral moderator picked by a team of local business and service organizations (League of Women Voters, Local VA, Chambers of Commerce, CABPRO, SYRCL, The Union, KNCO, KVMR, Tea Party Patriots, Yubanet, Rotary, SBC, ERC, etc.) allows a real dialog to take place. Here&#039;s what I would suggest:

1. Miner&#039;s Foundry be the venue the first night.
2. GV Vet&#039;s Hall be the venue the second night.
3. Don Baggett Theatre be the venue the third night.
4. A final meeting at an outdoor location in either Nevada City or Grass Valley, as the spring buds are springing and everyone is feeling her oats.

Let&#039;s give air to the things we have in common, and honor where we agree to disagree.

It&#039;s time for team building. The days of yelling past each other should be over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be great if in 2010 someone would host a series of Town Hall Meetings over the next couple of months, where a neutral moderator picked by a team of local business and service organizations (League of Women Voters, Local VA, Chambers of Commerce, CABPRO, SYRCL, The Union, KNCO, KVMR, Tea Party Patriots, Yubanet, Rotary, SBC, ERC, etc.) allows a real dialog to take place. Here&#8217;s what I would suggest:</p>
<p>1. Miner&#8217;s Foundry be the venue the first night.<br />
2. GV Vet&#8217;s Hall be the venue the second night.<br />
3. Don Baggett Theatre be the venue the third night.<br />
4. A final meeting at an outdoor location in either Nevada City or Grass Valley, as the spring buds are springing and everyone is feeling her oats.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s give air to the things we have in common, and honor where we agree to disagree.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for team building. The days of yelling past each other should be over.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This blog gets mention on Tea Party Patriot website by Steve Frisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tea Party conflict reported in the washington independent:

http://washingtonindependent.com/62054/tea-party-patriots-vs-tea-party-express

Another interesting issue to me is whether or not a &quot;movement&quot; that is basically an opposition reaction to the election of a centrist Democratic government can act as as an alternative opposition to the Republican party and not either a) be co-opted into becoming a wing of the Republican party, or b) damage the unity of the opposition and diminish returns during upcoming election cycles.

A fight between libertarian minded tea partiers, moderate republicans, and social conservatives could backfire by creating so much friction within the Republican party that energy is sapped before general elections. 

This inner party fighting is usually a Democratic Party problem and is pretty common to being in opposition for the first time in many years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tea Party conflict reported in the washington independent:</p>
<p><a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/62054/tea-party-patriots-vs-tea-party-express" rel="nofollow">http://washingtonindependent.com/62054/tea-party-patriots-vs-tea-party-express</a></p>
<p>Another interesting issue to me is whether or not a &#8220;movement&#8221; that is basically an opposition reaction to the election of a centrist Democratic government can act as as an alternative opposition to the Republican party and not either a) be co-opted into becoming a wing of the Republican party, or b) damage the unity of the opposition and diminish returns during upcoming election cycles.</p>
<p>A fight between libertarian minded tea partiers, moderate republicans, and social conservatives could backfire by creating so much friction within the Republican party that energy is sapped before general elections. </p>
<p>This inner party fighting is usually a Democratic Party problem and is pretty common to being in opposition for the first time in many years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This blog gets mention on Tea Party Patriot website by Steve Enos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Enos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there was the recent story that Jeff covered about their high priced meals and their GOP consulting firm creator... or as they claim their grass roots movement:     

&quot;The political action committee that created the Tea Party Express dropped $1,597.29 for a meal for six at a tony Sacramento Chops restaurant, an expenditure that has some members seeing red, according to Mother Jones.

“”Six people averaged $266; that’s not grassroots. I kill bugs and cut grass for a living. I’m splurging when I spend $19 at Chili’s. Outback Steakhouse is reserved for Mother’s Day,” Robin Stublen, organizer of the Punta Gorda, Fla., Tea Party patriots.

As Mother Jones points out: “While Tea Party Express professes to be a driving force in the Tea Party movement, it was actually started by a California-based GOP political consulting firm, Russo Marsh &amp; Rogers, which also set up Our County Deserves Better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there was the recent story that Jeff covered about their high priced meals and their GOP consulting firm creator&#8230; or as they claim their grass roots movement:     </p>
<p>&#8220;The political action committee that created the Tea Party Express dropped $1,597.29 for a meal for six at a tony Sacramento Chops restaurant, an expenditure that has some members seeing red, according to Mother Jones.</p>
<p>“”Six people averaged $266; that’s not grassroots. I kill bugs and cut grass for a living. I’m splurging when I spend $19 at Chili’s. Outback Steakhouse is reserved for Mother’s Day,” Robin Stublen, organizer of the Punta Gorda, Fla., Tea Party patriots.</p>
<p>As Mother Jones points out: “While Tea Party Express professes to be a driving force in the Tea Party movement, it was actually started by a California-based GOP political consulting firm, Russo Marsh &amp; Rogers, which also set up Our County Deserves Better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This blog gets mention on Tea Party Patriot website by Steve Frisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I think Russ is subconsciously a secret Francophile! 

Seriously, the whole tea party thing is kind of fascinating. It is entirely consistent with a long tradition in the United States of popular anti-government, anti-intellectual, anti-urban movements in times of stress. Almost every economic recession or depression in the US has come with a concomitant counter government movement. I am reading a great book right now titled &quot;What Hath God Wrought-The Transformation of America 1815-1848&quot; The Panics of 1819 and 1837 both led to such movements. In 1819 it fanned opposition to a national bank and helped spur on the second &quot;great awakening&quot; and a burgeoning conservative religious revival. In 1837 it helped spur on the growth of the nativist movement that held that it was the influx of new immigrants who were responsible for economic hard times.

I heard Sarah Palin on the Sean Hannity radio show today talking about what is necessary in the next generation of leadership. I am paraphrasing but what she said was, &quot;we are going to have to stop trusting people with big resumes and fancy ivy league educations&quot; to get back to real common sense American leadership. As though experience and education are the root of the problem. 

This is the &quot;real America&quot;. It is great and beautiful at times. It is the country I love. At times it is suspicious, anti-government, anti-intellectual and xenophobic. The Tea Party movement is all that: an exercise in freedom of speech that we should applaud, and a reaction to a sense of disempowerment and loss of control and position. The Tea Party movement is fear based rather than driven by a carefully thought out political philosophy. As David Brooks and others are now rightly beginning to point out the lack of a solid philosophical center will likely lead to a series of struggles within the movement that will lead to its splintering demise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think Russ is subconsciously a secret Francophile! </p>
<p>Seriously, the whole tea party thing is kind of fascinating. It is entirely consistent with a long tradition in the United States of popular anti-government, anti-intellectual, anti-urban movements in times of stress. Almost every economic recession or depression in the US has come with a concomitant counter government movement. I am reading a great book right now titled &#8220;What Hath God Wrought-The Transformation of America 1815-1848&#8243; The Panics of 1819 and 1837 both led to such movements. In 1819 it fanned opposition to a national bank and helped spur on the second &#8220;great awakening&#8221; and a burgeoning conservative religious revival. In 1837 it helped spur on the growth of the nativist movement that held that it was the influx of new immigrants who were responsible for economic hard times.</p>
<p>I heard Sarah Palin on the Sean Hannity radio show today talking about what is necessary in the next generation of leadership. I am paraphrasing but what she said was, &#8220;we are going to have to stop trusting people with big resumes and fancy ivy league educations&#8221; to get back to real common sense American leadership. As though experience and education are the root of the problem. </p>
<p>This is the &#8220;real America&#8221;. It is great and beautiful at times. It is the country I love. At times it is suspicious, anti-government, anti-intellectual and xenophobic. The Tea Party movement is all that: an exercise in freedom of speech that we should applaud, and a reaction to a sense of disempowerment and loss of control and position. The Tea Party movement is fear based rather than driven by a carefully thought out political philosophy. As David Brooks and others are now rightly beginning to point out the lack of a solid philosophical center will likely lead to a series of struggles within the movement that will lead to its splintering demise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This blog gets mention on Tea Party Patriot website by Don Pelton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Pelton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Russ Steele, who must be lurking here, would kindly explain his motive for posting Steve&#039;s comment on the Tea Bag Patriots&#039; website?

Perhaps it was not intended to stir up more resentment. And ,if not, then why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Russ Steele, who must be lurking here, would kindly explain his motive for posting Steve&#8217;s comment on the Tea Bag Patriots&#8217; website?</p>
<p>Perhaps it was not intended to stir up more resentment. And ,if not, then why?</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Bell Labs discussed global warming in 1958 by Steve Frisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I sent the link and I received it sans the dot earth reference, although I am surprised I missed it since I usually read dot earth. 

Thans for the context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I sent the link and I received it sans the dot earth reference, although I am surprised I missed it since I usually read dot earth. </p>
<p>Thans for the context.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens express doubts about county cost cutting by Steve Enos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Enos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff... thank you for the great mix of &quot;coverage&quot; you provide on your site. You cover a number of important local issues that don;t seem to make the local main stream media and other local blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff&#8230; thank you for the great mix of &#8220;coverage&#8221; you provide on your site. You cover a number of important local issues that don;t seem to make the local main stream media and other local blogs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Bell Labs discussed global warming in 1958 by Bob Lickter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Lickter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care where you got it Jeff, I think it is a stellar presentation.  I am pretty sure this video is lost to most of the environmental community. Makes me wonder what Bell Labs was doing with this info for the past 50 years. This information could have changed the course of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care where you got it Jeff, I think it is a stellar presentation.  I am pretty sure this video is lost to most of the environmental community. Makes me wonder what Bell Labs was doing with this info for the past 50 years. This information could have changed the course of history.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Bell Labs discussed global warming in 1958 by gzaller</title>
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		<dc:creator>gzaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, by my calculations (check me), the world is consuming oil at 6000 cubic feet per second (90mbpd). The flow rate of the Sacramento river on Jan 4 was 3000cfs!!! Can you imagine a river of oil going up in smoke? Again, check me, but we are arguably consuming oil at a rate of about one million times faster than it was made! Why are we arguing about this? This isn&#039;t chicken little squawking about the sky is falling. Humans caused caused about 100 parts per million atmospheric CO2 which is about 2 pounds of CO2 per square foot added to the atmosphere (check me)! How many feet thick is that blanket?

I&#039;m not convinced that atmospheric CO2 levels are directly causing weather change, though, because we should all be skeptics. At least not until they can forecast tomorrow&#039;s weather accurately. My point is that I don&#039;t need to be convinced to see  the scale of human impact affecting the planet&#039;s ecosystems and the need to respond responsibly now.

Why is it that there is very little talk about how CO2 is affecting the ocean pH and the potential for an ecosystem collapse there? This is pretty straight forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, by my calculations (check me), the world is consuming oil at 6000 cubic feet per second (90mbpd). The flow rate of the Sacramento river on Jan 4 was 3000cfs!!! Can you imagine a river of oil going up in smoke? Again, check me, but we are arguably consuming oil at a rate of about one million times faster than it was made! Why are we arguing about this? This isn&#8217;t chicken little squawking about the sky is falling. Humans caused caused about 100 parts per million atmospheric CO2 which is about 2 pounds of CO2 per square foot added to the atmosphere (check me)! How many feet thick is that blanket?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that atmospheric CO2 levels are directly causing weather change, though, because we should all be skeptics. At least not until they can forecast tomorrow&#8217;s weather accurately. My point is that I don&#8217;t need to be convinced to see  the scale of human impact affecting the planet&#8217;s ecosystems and the need to respond responsibly now.</p>
<p>Why is it that there is very little talk about how CO2 is affecting the ocean pH and the potential for an ecosystem collapse there? This is pretty straight forward.</p>
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